As of lately, the topic of whether or not LBP musicians should leave the community to pursue bigger and better musical production, as well as the worth that LBP3 currently presents has been tossed around quite frequently these past few weeks. With this debate in mind, along with the fact that LBP3 was a pretty big letdown in some... aspects (who are we kidding, launch was mediocre at best), I've been contemplating this very notion myself. Luckily, an "associate" of mine fully pirated Ableton 9.1, and the program itself is ready to be delved into. Thing is, to be honest... I have absolutely ZERO knowledge of advanced musical production in general, whether it be terms, techniques, theory, etc. All I've ever done is hear a melody in my mind and play it out on a sequencer.

SO, I've come here to this wonderful band of a community to ask for it all; knowledge. I've seen a few people on here (mostly Morta) complain about how absolutely nobody wants to progress forward in a serious manner, and while people may have their reasons (Waiting for experience, talent, strictly a hobbie, etc), I feel like learning these skills as early as possible is crucial to later on in a musical career. So hell, now's your guys' chance! Rather mine, but you get the point. If there is in anyway whatsoever a way to learn, grow, and master these programs, I would be greatly appreciative!

So, just a summary: LBP Music production's becoming a bit stale, ready to take things a bit more serious, looking for a mentor/teaching program that has ties with individuals who take this seriously. You gotta start somewhere.

"P.S.- Please avoid the, "watch youtube tutorials" comments. Trust me, I've tried."

Thanks ahead of time, you classy, sassy sack folk.

-Emotionless

they have classes on all this sort of stuff. everything from audio tech courses to music lessons ( music theory ). I believe if your serious, these are things that you should set your sights to for the future. also, play around with things while you have them ( like music software ). many of the professionals teach themselves these things.

as far as people on lbp willing to teach you, I don't believe that most people on lbp are qualified to really " teach " anything regarding music ( many of these people would disagree with me ). for now, just experiment, challenge yourself and above all else, don't take everyones advise on what to do musically.

and for music software tips, i'm sure there may be a few that can give you a little bit of helpful advise.

Nerd, to clarify, I don't mean strictly individuals found on LBP. For example, Subtact (Morta) and Nvade (Trill), both of which I believe are currently tied to record deals (correct me if I'm wrong), had to have at least met some source before gaining these positions. I doubt they reside where they do today simply because of reputation. For example, Morta mentioned, and I quote,"...I've been chipping away at learning and teaching the ways of music production..." Well, where exactly, and from whom? These people who helped them proceed along the audial abode are the ones I am referring to. As for classes, some specific links would be wonderful, however I feel a more "hands-on approach" would serve as a less impersonal way of learning. Whatever improves my current skill, I'm willing to put in the hours (more like years).

I was mostly referring to actual college courses. and yes. there are people that can show you some techniques and whatnot. but whether your learning from a professional teacher, or from someone trying to show you what they know ( or think they know ), it all requires an ear for music. and learning these things takes patience and being active as a learner.

then there's the question of what's the goal. if the goal is to simply be successful ( as in record labels and whatnot ) then there can be way more " do's and don'ts ". I think that this goal limits people musically. is becomes way less of art then music should be.

Hahahah, I see I've been quoted! When I say I've been chipping away at music production, I simply mean that at face value. Literally reading articles on how different devices work, what their purposes are, watching random miscellaneous tutorials and interviews, but primarily just messing around in Ableton. I'm not "tied" to any record deals, as everyone I do business with is independent and no exclusives contracts have been signed by me yet.

That's besides the point! I offer actual music production lessons in Ableton!

Quick paragraph showing that my knowledge is actually worth something:

I've personally taught multiple people, Jerry, (Trillex) being one of them. As well as multiple other people I've met over time. I'm soon going to be personally tutoring the Head A&R Manager of NextGen Records in Ableton. My own music has been supported numerous times by Laszlo, Grant Bowtie, WRLD, and plenty of others. I've been featured on EDM.com and huge channels such as Airwave Music TV and xKito Music on YouTube.

If you want 1 on 1 scheduled lessons focused entirely on you, PM me on SoundCloud and we can talk over rates and other information.

Other than that, I can help in any small way possible. Hit me up on SoundCloud if you need anything, man!

https://soundcloud.com/subtact

Nerd- My goal simply is to improve. I still have a massive pile of musical info to consume, but seeing people like Jerry, Ben, and Noel originate on LBP and work their way up the spectrum definitely puts things in perspective. Is it wrong to say I DO want to be successful in the music industry? I think not, unless your taking detrimental shots at your music just for the sake of doing so (i.e. product placement, selling out for less quality, etc).

Also, I find it kinda funny how you say, "...it becomes way less of art then music should be." Ironic, considering art is subjective (Art can be viewed in ANY way, regardless of what other see it to be.) To say that art should be viewed a certain way, and becomes LESS of an art because you personally don't view it as art contradicts your entire statement. .

only thing I can teach is how to read guitar tabs ( don't worry, i'd do it for free )

oh the " art " thing. I was talking about selling out.. making music for the purpose of it being popular. I consider following the " rules " of mainstream music to be sort of like tracing. and I don't consider tracing a form of art

Morta- That would be great, man! I'll hafta look into the details at some point. Really, I'm no EDM head (at least at producing it), and I don't care to delve into that sorta thing too strongly (at least not repetitive electro trash). Really its more about learning the program itself, and getting an overall feel for everything. Essentially, everything you know, I wanna know. Plain and simple. I'll definitely be doing a lot more research in general, tho.

fair enough . It amazes me how people can just absorb so much mainstream trash and smile, but cringe when they hear someone like Lemongrass or R.O. Shame, really. If only people would open their ears...

Yeah, man! I've certainly made more than EDM, and what I know spans any kind of music you could possibly want to make.

I'm on a music academy (I really don't know the translation, Dutch things), it's the highest education in my country, but it is between amature and proffesional. Only thing is, that it is a classic education, but I know my theory well.

Oh, and Ableton Live FTW!

I'm also looking into music education, I've finally found a quality college with a degree in film scoring; I got super excited just reading the description! Anyway, Morta, I don't suppose you could teach me a few things about the theory and stuff behind mastering, the equaliser, compressor, etc. It's currently just guess work right now. Thanks in advance.

i've learned a lot of things about fl studio 11 by watching youtube videos including sidechaining which is a subject probably best explained by video