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1. Not being able to move notes around with the D-pad. I HATE navigating menus with analog. Its sloppy as hell. 2. Not being ablt to turn of the tones ever time I move a note. It drives me insane having to move a note across the keyboard and hearing it scaling. These two things have prevented me from seriously sitting down and making something great out of the sequencer.

2015-02-21 18:15:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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Totally understandable. I do agree with 2. It does get annoying sometimes, but if you're like my brother, it can help. He plays by ear. Nonetheless, turning it off would be a great option to have.

2015-02-21 21:56:00 Author: dakrrs Posts: 561

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What bothers me is I can duplicate an amazing song, note by note, and it will sound terrible because of the lack of instruments and sound tweaking. So I can have an amazing song in mind, but it sound like crap in LBP3.

2015-02-21 22:10:00 Author: Mhx Air Posts: 67

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I also usually play by ear, but I still feel it would be better turned off and maybe have a preview button, that only plays the tone whe you press it, as if you had placed it or something.

2015-02-21 22:20:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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Eheheh!!! Even without proper instruments remaking a song flawlessly is doable if you believe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLoRx7VprTg&feature=youtu.be see see ^ ^ ^

2015-02-21 23:04:00 Author: Kuroneko Posts: 101

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@Kuroneko Why the sad face? It was good!

2015-02-22 03:46:00 Author: Sound Friction Posts: 437

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I know this would probably be too much hassle, but if the note sounds are really bugging you, you can make a drag and make a "Select" to get to the next note, so you will only hear the first and last notes.

2015-02-22 04:30:00 Author: Demondude16 Posts: 29

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All it takes is some time, thought and practice to get decent tones out of the sequencer. Just listen to sequencers from people like BuddyDestruction, Velvet--Audio, xTrillexx, Festerd_Jester, me (from my second gallery) , ect. There's a talent in using cruddy music sequencing technology (like the lbp music sequencer) and getting fairly well polished sounds out of it. It can be done.. because people do it all of the time.

2015-02-22 11:57:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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The. D. Is. Not. Capitalised.

2015-02-22 20:34:00 Author: Buddydestruction Posts: 137

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i'll just start referring to you as "not Steve" from now on buddy

2015-02-23 08:16:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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I like the sequencer, just don't have time to play most of the time

2015-02-23 08:37:00 Author: Marumaru Posts: 9

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I have maybe spent a total of 2 hours on the music sequencer but that resulted in a song that was pretty decent to be made by someone who doesn't play any instruments in real life. It was easier to learn then what I thought from the beginning.

2015-02-23 12:20:00 Author: Blacksackman Posts: 84

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You know what bugs me? Music sequencers sound like crap (most of the time, some people can really make good songs, but most of the time it's just really bad midi songs)

2015-02-23 12:34:00 Author: 211Nickey Posts: 337

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I actually like getting limited resources to make music with on lbp. It gives you a test to see how good you can make something with little resources. If we had loads of other technical resources to work with, hearing something new and unique wouldn't be that special. There is probably still tons of cool stuff we don't know about the music sequencer.

2015-02-23 12:52:00 Author: DigiToast Posts: 12

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100% agree with Digitoast here. When I and probably a lot of music creator make a song, it isn't in the hopes of pleasing other people, it's for myself. I make it for fun. A lot of people constantly say : Why not just make music outside LBP? Well I do, but I still make it on LBP because it's fun. Sure, I want other people to hear because I'm proud of what I made, but I don't make it in the hopes of simply getting praised, I make it because I like making music on LBP. The only thing that really bugs me about the music sequencer is the instrument thermo. Other than that, I have no problems with it whatsoever. @211Nickey. What is a good song and what is a bad one? Is something bad simply something made with no effort? Or simply something you dislike? Is this an argument or simply your opinion?

2015-02-23 13:14:00 Author: Kuroneko Posts: 101

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People that aren't musicians don't always realize how much of an effect music has on their level. I think one of the worst things that someone can do is, use one of the extremely overused in-game songs. nothing completes a level like having good original music that was custom created for that level. I cringe everytime I hear that temple/jungle song from the DC Comics pack soooo overused oh and uhm.. @211Nickey peoples levels don't exactly look like Crysis 3 now do they? I wouldn't bash the LBP sequencer too hard. And is it really all about professional sound quality? I think it's more about the actual music.

2015-02-23 14:15:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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oi digi stop torturing us and make another music gallery and toast movie 2 please

2015-02-24 02:22:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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Tried the musicsequebcer again last night, and I just can't. I think I could live with the constant noise, but its just way too sloppy with analog control. Also I found out it's a lot harder to translate what I have arranged by ear on a real keyboard to the sequencer than I thought.

2015-02-24 08:49:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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Oi! @nerd_dog! I wasn't talking about graphics, I was talking about the poor instruments. They sound like Windows 1995 Basic Midi samples. These instruments can be used in great ways, like Velvet--Audio's and nk827's music, to list a few. But most of the time it sounds... like basic midi. Some instruments sound good, but not a lot of them. Also, what bugs me about the music sequencer is how loud they are, there is no sense of audio mixing. It doesn't matter what volume the creator of said music sequencer puts on it, it's just loud. It may be a good song, but loud.

2015-02-24 09:36:00 Author: 211Nickey Posts: 337

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some people tell me my stuff is too quiet. mine is definitely not loud if you want an example, go play R-V-2-0-1-3's Firefly Ruins. the volume is perfect for the level and is definitely not overpowering and yea. I know you weren't talking about graphics. I was just using that as a comparison.

2015-02-24 11:25:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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MIDI is just information, you are on the internet look it up you dumbo and if you have at least 2 instruments for 1 part it sounds better usually 2 or 3 is enough and also panning of various elements makes the song sound better and reverb, the answer to most sound design problems is reverb and in real life too , also concert hall music reverb on a sequencer set to the minimum speed at 10% reverb is better than having none and set the background noise to 0 and look at other people's sequencers like: nerd_dog, digitoast, joshua, meansr, vorby, trilex and more i haven't mentioned

2015-02-24 20:23:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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No, basic Windows 95 (and any windows after that) midi instrumentation. That's what I meant. It sounds like that, just a little different. I know midi is just information (in fact, a lot of music is made with it), it's just most people when thinking about Midi, point to Windows.

2015-02-24 20:45:00 Author: 211Nickey Posts: 337

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no, just you and not if you know what to do

2015-02-24 20:52:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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I think his point is, midi music has sounded artificial A LOT longer than it has good. Recently a lot of midi tracks sound amazing, the new Pokémon games soundtracks for example. To him the instruments in lbp sound artificial and it reminds him of more traditional midi instrumentation.

2015-02-24 21:13:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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So I decided to give the sequencer a third chance, here is the outcome. I suck at drums as I have no prior experience with percussion instruments. Does anyone have any tips for instrumentation, or just in general about the sequencer? http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TgMRR4p1Gl Recorded from vita because I was too lazy to turn my PS4 and play on LBP3

2015-02-25 10:50:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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Experiment with blending more than one instrument to get different tones, try adjusting tambr(Right Stick right and left) , reverb (not too much) , volume control ( the piano and guitar was very loud ). ect.. basically just experiment with settings and using instruments in different ways. go visit music galleries from some of the people that are great at mixing then take that sequencer to get an idea on how they made it sound so good. It can be done.. just takes some work

2015-02-25 10:57:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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I'm not the only one who thinks of Windows or any PC's when thinking about Midi. It's not just me.

2015-02-25 11:02:00 Author: 211Nickey Posts: 337

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You're not. The default sounds from the sequencer aren't that good. that's why you have to really blend and tweak things to get it sounding decent. And Warman, please don't.. call people "dumbo" here

2015-02-25 11:06:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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What you think of the composition?

2015-02-25 11:20:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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They should have just gone all out and allowed importation of midi files you put on your ps4 into the game. I'd be down for that.

2015-02-25 15:28:00 Author: Tynz21 Posts: 89

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Do you use Synthesia to remake a song? If so, maybe that's why it sounds like a Midi

2015-02-25 15:48:00 Author: Kuroneko Posts: 101

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I have a new grievance, unless someone can enlighten me with a workaround. You can't transpose a tile by an octave up or down. This would be really usful when filling out your song a bit. I appreciate the ability for different keys, thats cool.

2015-02-25 19:43:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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@79est a simple drum pattern of kick snare kick snare would of been better you could've done that then added some hi hat work and occasional crash cymbal at the beginning of certain sections, not mention more than 1 instrument for the same part makes it sound better, use more than 1 note for the snare if you can, balance the volume more and add more reverb especially with the piano besides that it's pretty decent, don't forget to look at other people's sequencers, i've given suggestions ( red squigly line under reverb) go into the community level search and look for them it's not hard

2015-02-25 20:11:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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You think the song itself is good though? Sometimes I wonder about my songwriting capabilities Also that's 73est to you mister!

2015-02-25 20:50:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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@ means at and midi isn't a sound it's information you need something physical in order for it to be midi

2015-02-25 21:03:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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I think the composition has some potential. it's definitely not a bad first start on lbp

2015-02-26 09:53:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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To move something up by an octave, just draw a box to highlight all of the notes in a midi sequence and move it up.

2015-02-26 10:27:00 Author: Demondude16 Posts: 29

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yea what he said my good buddy Reblskum666 is an awesome musician.. and he just found out that he can actually drag select the notes like two months ago which is very surprising

2015-02-26 10:39:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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Hey Nerd_Dog, I went through your entire gallery, and left a review. Thanks for all the tips, I'm going to be studying your sequencers. I want to add because my review cut off, I really wasn't feeling Do Androids sleep, The Unsound, and Inciedent Binary. Just too contemporary for me. I sat through way more Inciedent Binary then I should have . Out of curiosity what does Move Pack mean? Does that song contain something only available in the Move Pack?

2015-02-26 21:26:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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lmao I made music for like a year before someone showed me you can paste a new instrument over a current midi clip to transfer the notes over. I was just drawing it out again every time

2015-02-27 10:23:00 Author: Demondude16 Posts: 29

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@THE-73est The Move Pack includes some instruments that sound very great. (In my opinion)

2015-02-27 10:57:00 Author: Sound Friction Posts: 437

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Thank you for checking out my gallery. It was sort of the wrong gallery with all my first songs and everything but thank you And it's sort of funny that people still like "Can't Quit The Ghost" considering it was my very first LBP tune The second gallery is the one to behold (maybe I should just lock my first)

2015-02-27 13:16:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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I made mine first gallery a sublevel. Never to seen again.....

2015-02-27 13:31:00 Author: Sound Friction Posts: 437

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I just can't bring myself to do it though. there are about 4 tracks in there that I still want to keep posted

2015-02-27 13:34:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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Do not take the gallery down. I just listed to 50 minutes of music last night, why would you want to take that away from other people? The songs for the most part are great.

2015-02-27 15:01:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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you call DADOES contemporary!? and just looking at his sequencers in his first gallery is a pretty bad move because digi has tonnes of tricks, meansr too and jusu-tengu knows how to use instruments me and nerd doesn't even know how to use, point is look at only one person's sequencers for tips then you're going to have a harder time creating something contributive (i'm not speaking for myself, i know my stuff isn't that contributive yet) for example even if you hate the song listen to it, for me it's "change the world" (i think it's called) from inuyasha, beacause of cheap and cheesey production and sections but they're are good points but not many but you get the point and it's advice nerd_dog gave me "listen to songs beyond your comfort zone" well something like that but i digress, i have lots of lbp music storage levels in my moon with other people's music and please look at other people's sequencers like for relaxing music look at "Relax Or Die" by WARMAN7785

2015-02-27 18:31:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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@Warman7785 Saying that someones music is bad because someone elses' is better isn't an argument nor is it criticism.

2015-02-27 19:03:00 Author: Kuroneko Posts: 101

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but i didn't, i wasn't even implying that, i was just saying digi's sequencers and meansr's sequencers have a lot he/she can learn from and other people as well as other people's sequencers

2015-02-27 20:01:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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Hm maybe I misread it, but that's the vibe I got

2015-02-27 20:05:00 Author: Kuroneko Posts: 101

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nope, just trying to help i would've killed for this info btw , still not implying anything negative

2015-02-27 20:07:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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@THE-73est well thank you I just hate when people only check out my first gallery without seeing my second. my first doesn't really represent what I really can do. I am considering adding a key to my second so that my first is never the first people see

2015-02-28 11:49:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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I'll listen to the second gallery tonight or tomorrow. @warman One step at a time mate, I know I can write some decent tunes, but first I have to learn how to use the tools at a slightly more than basic level. I'll start with nerd dogs songs, and if these other peoples music is as advanced as you claim it to be I will check it out down the line. I'm still struggling to write a good drum line down.

2015-02-28 12:28:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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if you poke around lbp, you'll find that a lot of these people have there own ways of doing things. I wouldn't call these people "top" musicians though. They're just unique and good at getting the sounds they're looking for. That's the interesting part to me. I've picked up a few tricks here and there but I really just like to experiment and find sounds while making the sort of music that I want to make. In a way, I enjoy the challenge of trying to make these instruments actually sound decent. sort of like how people use the limited tools in lbp to make fun and interesting levels. some people make some truly unique creations. Comparing completely different styles is like comparing apples to oranges. some people like oranges more, some people may hate oranges. all a matter of taste.

2015-02-28 13:01:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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I totally agree. I personally create (and never tend to finish ) levels with more simplistic approach and look, while there are levels which will use complex logic, and sprites to create something unique. Doesn't make one more fun, or in the case more pleasant to the ear. Its all a matter of what you prefer, and thats the beauty of LBP, the tools are so powerful and open ended, its practically its own programming language.

2015-02-28 16:39:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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I like oranges.

2015-02-28 16:57:00 Author: x_Emotionless_x Posts: 49

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Potatoes are my favourite flower.

2015-03-01 13:55:00 Author: Buddydestruction Posts: 137

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no not "one step at a time mate" most people on lbp haven't heard it but i have unique ways of making melodies and lots of types and styles and that's all from listening to at least 50 artists,several genres, ethnicities (if you don't know what that means look it up) and subjects. some people have commented about my mixing in lbp, one even did before i mixed a song completely and that's because i learnt from the best. you can learn a lot about mixing, panning, sound designing (combining presets still counts!) reverb, sequencing (i can teach you how to do super fast glissandi that's only possible in 160 BPM with note placement glitches and for ultra fast 240 BPM) and how to use certain instruments. btw BPM in lbp isn't exact proper BPM, it's supposedly a little slower. so i recommend listen to more real music artsists in real life and in lbp.

2015-03-02 21:19:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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@WARMAN I don't believe he's trying to be rude or anything. And it is ok to take things one step at a time. Try to take three steps at a time.. You'll probably fall over . I'm sure he'll poke around the community more. And "good" music in LBP isn't just about tricks. Some of my favorite sequencers had little to no effort put into mixing. I just try to hear the actual music.

2015-03-03 08:52:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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It would be cool if Music Sequencers had support for multiple audio channels. Mono music just isn't the same. Not everyone would utilize it if it existed, obviously, but I know some people that would.

2015-03-03 11:29:00 Author: Fox Posts: 211

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Do you know what I've always wanted? A music sequencer that you could import audio files located on your PS3 or removable drives onto. If you found a soundtrack online that you wanted to use in your level, it would be possible to directly import it. Same goes for sound effects and other stuff. You can even create dialogue which you can edit on your computer!, and PC microphones tend to sound better than the ones available for the PS4/PS3. I doubt that it would be added even if it was suggested, though. People would import DLC soundtracks directly to them from audio files and there could be problems with copyright infringement.

2015-03-03 11:49:00 Author: Fox Posts: 211

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@Fox that may be against copyright ****, and that's why they probaly won't do that. Bit what should be cool, is making a custom instrument by inserting a sample on a PS3/PS4's harddrive/or on an USB (that is below 1MB). But again, these are just dreams and are already possible outside of LBP. Da powerrrr of samplers. Kontakt ftw. <3

2015-03-03 12:30:00 Author: Sound Friction Posts: 437

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Something that would be great is if you could upload your own songs on your PS3/PS4's hard drive or a usb stick and use them in your levels. Copyright wouldn't be a issue, because Steven stated that as long as they don't feature a level with copyrighted material in team picks, the copyright holders would be okay with it.

2015-03-03 13:05:00 Author: 211Nickey Posts: 337

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@211Nickey I'm not sure is it a good idea. People would be like.. importing Darude - Sandstorm for levels But there's several groups/licenses that are agreeing with using music for your own purposes ex. NoCopyrightSounds (check out their channel on Youtube, they have a lot of cool music.) so it'd be fine. About these points bugging the music sequencer, I agree both of them. The first one especially if the game is lagging. The second one gives me after some hours a headache D: But it's not that bad at all, if you're good at making music in LBP, your music will be great to listen. I'm not really practiced with the sequencer, but I did remake The Last of Us theme song, which you can find it on my earth. So far people say that is the best cover of all from TLoU

2015-03-03 14:19:00 Author: kubac2000 Posts: 329

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Nickey, that would mean the death of any custom made soundtrack for levels. that would be a sad thing .

2015-03-04 04:47:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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No importing music would be bad in my opinion. I also think it would be a copyright issue. Music is different then a visual recreation of a copyrighted ip. Its almost like fan art, but music would be identical, and personally like nerd dog said it would kill the sequencer, and would also kill all the tracks already in the game. And I think the tracks in the game are perfect if used in the right levels.

2015-03-04 07:34:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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I like to see things that are created by the LBP community using the tools in LBP. Music, Art, level design, logic design, ect. The music in LBP is just as much of an expression of creativity as anything else in the game.

2015-03-04 15:30:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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Eh, using copyrighted content in LBP levels isn't really copyright infringement IMO. It technically is, but the copyright holders mainly try to take down people who are profiting from unauthorized use of their content. (e.g. if a random, obscure website decided to use copyrighted music as background music, they wouldn't care, but if a YouTube video that the author monetized used it, they'd be in trouble) Creators don't profit from their creations, even if they are original works. Levels are taken down due to copyright infringement, but it most likely didn't stem from the content's owner actually making a claim. It's usually just cautious moderators.

2015-03-04 19:57:00 Author: Fox Posts: 211

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In response to Nerd_dog, I don't think that music creators will necessarily quit if an option to import music becomes available. If they liked creating music, they'll most likely continue, and they might even begin using PC software (Fruity Loops studio and stuff like that) which is much more advanced than Music Sequencers.

2015-03-04 19:59:00 Author: Fox Posts: 211

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Something else annoying about the sequencer is how unforgiving the thermometer is. 1 minute of music, and the thermometer's usually already peaking.

2015-03-04 20:00:00 Author: Fox Posts: 211

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I don't think thats a good way at looking at it (Everyone continue to make music on PC and importing like fruit loops) because not everyone would be on a level playing field. Part of the charm of LBP is the fact that you know everything you see is a result of in game tools, even the music. If you allow people to start creating music else where, it would be the equivalent of letting people make their own 3d objects in AutoCad and importing them.

2015-03-04 21:11:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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@nerd_dog. you're missing the point and that's what i said a long time ago (all trilex did was tell me how terrible my audio was really, when i didn't mix with headphones) but i'm not talking just mixing i'm also talking about note placement glitches and stuff

2015-03-04 21:22:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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@Fox, why don't they just allow people to import Call Of Duty into LBP? The graphics look better I'm sure true creators would keep creating. http://i.imgur.com/HrA85nV.jpg

2015-03-05 08:35:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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Well DAWs, like I use Ableton Live, are extremely advanced and in theory you can do anything. But like some people said in some other threads; because the music sequenser is limited, it is a challenge to create something good and if you put effort in it, you will get something good.

2015-03-05 09:42:00 Author: Sound Friction Posts: 437

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Okay, I regret thinking about having a import music feature after thinking of those songs people used on voice recorded sackbots. I don't want a community full of Linkin Park songs. CRAWWWLING IN MAH SKINNNNNN

2015-03-05 10:36:00 Author: 211Nickey Posts: 337

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90% of every level would have a Skrillex song in it

2015-03-05 11:12:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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or worse a LMFAO song

2015-03-05 19:55:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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IVEEE BECOME SO NUMBB

2015-03-06 06:02:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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saying MIDI sounds like something is like saying binary code is music... or maybe binary code is music

2015-03-10 20:28:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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i wonder if you like the sound of a book in front of you being still, i certainly don't

2015-03-10 20:29:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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Calm down. We get it. The term midi is still synonymous with ****** electronic instruments though. You are fixated on the definition of MIDI, why not respond to his concern that the songs are unnatural. EDIT: swearing

2015-03-11 20:49:00 Author: THE-73est Posts: 39

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or everyone just listen to the music rather than the sound quality of the music

2015-03-12 01:07:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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This.

2015-03-12 12:24:00 Author: 211Nickey Posts: 337

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I honestly don't have a problem with the sound quality of the music sequencer :/ For sure there is better, but just because there is better doesn't make it is bad.

2015-03-14 15:45:00 Author: Kuroneko Posts: 101

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I kinda' believe that it only takes about 1 ~ 6 hrs to create a song depending on experience and affinity with how you make music. LBP is only meant to be a mere artificial duplicate of real-life programs like FL Studio or Ableton Live. I noticed there is a GIGANTIC gap difference, and, if you're like me, who will be transitioning to the real world, will have somewhat of a hard time. If you master the simple logic and filters of this game, you will know somewhat more about filters like FL Studio. (I had to tamper for 4 hours with filters in FL because there's way too many filters n' stuff.) Sound quality of a game only depends on what speakers you're using. Use headphones or surround sound or something. :S

2015-03-16 07:53:00 Author: meansr Posts: 20

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but the amount of sound customization in DAW's is immense so you can get more unique sounds and reprocessing samples is mad fun

2015-03-16 20:01:00 Author: WARMAN7785 Posts: 133

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This thread has just gotten silly really What's the alternative to having user created music in your level? Having in-game music that everyone has heard over, and over again. Really takes that custom feel away from a level. At this point, the LBP3 music is still "fresh" enough it seems but it'll get worn out. It may not seem like a big deal but trust me. Whether people focus on the music or not, having great custom music can really give your level that "wow" factor.

2015-03-23 09:49:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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There still would be a DLC for LBP3 that would bring another music collections.. but it's gonna be overused because, it's like trend - soundtrack gets very popular so does raise amount of music included on levels

2015-03-23 13:16:00 Author: kubac2000 Posts: 329

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What nerd dog said. Custom music really is a Wow factor in your levels, the music sequencer might not seem the great thing for some people but it does really add some fresh stuff to the otherwise repetitive soundtrack you hear over and over again!

2015-03-23 18:16:00 Author: yugnar Posts: 766

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exactly. as long as you're using the right music

2015-03-24 00:06:00 Author: nerd_dog Posts: 1483

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