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Tips on Remaking a Song?

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2015-03-26 16:04:00 / Author: Jacko
I'm trying to remake a song but I'm having troubles.
I can use a sequencer, so it's really just about ear game, so does anybody have any tips for remaking a song?
2015-03-26 16:04:00
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2015-03-26 16:16:00 / Author: Fox
I suppose that you could load the song onto an MP3 player and play it on there while you're creating the music sequencer, or use the game's built-in music player (found in settings). If the song is available with individual instruments in separate tracks, that would be even better.
2015-03-26 16:16:00
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2015-03-27 02:06:00 / Author: CuriousSack
When I want to rebuild a song then I try to find it on first.
If you can find it there in an acceptable version, then you can see also the notes for each instrument separately (though in guitar notation only).

I wish you luck! If this doesn't really help you, then send me the title of the song per PM and I will see whether I can help you!

Many greetings, J├╝rgen^^
2015-03-27 02:06:00
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2015-03-27 05:32:00 / Author: sana_88
Since LBP 2+ features a piano roll grid, I'd recommend using a software that also uses and supports midi in roll format.
If this is JUST BY EAR, I'd probably listen to a specific instrument at a time, listen for melodies/beats, and then implement them and put the pieces together!
Good luck on future projects! I'll be sure to check them!
2015-03-27 05:32:00
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2015-03-27 09:00:00 / Author: Kuroneko
Remaking a song perfectly is one of the hardest things to do on Littlebigplanet. There is a handful of experienced music creators who can't do a solid remake due to underestimating how difficult it truly is. If you just want to make a cover, you can just go by the melody/beat or simply like, make your own personal remake/remix.
Here's my tip for a complete remake, which is difficult due to onpoint details.

-First. If you're new to remaking songs, synthesia or any type of piano roll grid is going to be your friend. Although it will sound extremely robotic, it's a nice way to start. If you can read piano sheets, it'll probably be better. Of course, for this, your remake will always have piano. You should start by doing the vocals and some of the side notes on piano.
After that, slowly add around it (Bass, drums). That's probably the first step. Piano, bass, drums. Focus on those, get use to them

-After you got the hang of this, you should start adding everything around it, drums, bass, guitars. The main instruments, you shouldn't focus on side instruments until you've gotten use to at least being able to get the main melody trough.
Again, use piano as the main instrument to easily guide you trough the song. When you feel comfortable enough, stop using synthesia or anything. Rely solely on your ears.

-Now when remaking the song, the first thing you should focus on are the vocals. You can use piano for the vocals as it's clean and easily hearable, but I suggest at this point you stop using piano altogether (Unless the original song demands piano, you shouldn't use it as vocals)

-Now, the hard part is actually pinpointing the smallest details, listen to the song a handful of times, instrumentals and such. Really pinpoint the instrument and remake it accordingly. Stop using piano. Unless it's piano in the remake or you decide to use piano for vocals, avoid it. For thermo uses and because it'll sound sloppy at most.

-Thermo is going to be your biggest obstacle. Again, piano is one of the heaviest instrument logic, so you should avoid using it. Acoustic drums gets the job done, Baiyon and and Synth kit are great and all, but for a remake without synth (Rock, pop, a song in general that isn't upbeat), use acoustics. Mime or Bass, the choice is yours. While bass is stronger and louder, mime is cleaner and smoother. Thermo wise, the bass is heavier but it can overall sound better.
Here's a little somtehing I put up. The Midi instrumental version didn't have the pinpoint details but you can get the main melody, which you can recreate. Try not to solely remake what you hear, try to really delve deep in the song to hear everything.

The tempo is easy yet hard at the same time. You can easily use whatever tempo you think works with the way you create, but placing the notes accordingly to the song might be very hard. One of my goals as someone who makes remakes is to get a perfect remake. As in, I want to be able to put both sequencer and original song at the same time and you can't hear the difference.
Now it may seem as an easy feat, but getting the whole song onpoint is rather difficult *I failed the chorus and didn't time it properly *

-Depending on your song, the instrument choice you use is vital, for violin, I highly suggest using the Strings and the Concertina. The Legato and Brass can be good, but thermo wise, can limit the rest of your choices. For guitar, Distorted over powerchords. Unless you're remaking a Rock song with lead guitars, Distorted is cleaner and smoother.

-Volume control is going to be kinda difficult, which is why you should use headphones when listening to the song you're trying to remake. For the panning anyways. Reverb may seem like it's giving your music a bigger impact and overall sound louder, but it can also make it sound muddy and awkward so use the reverb carefully. Power chords are one of the loudest instruments, so be sure to play with the volume and size of the note instead of simply stacking it a couple of times.

Well, that's pretty much the best I can give you, I hope this helped
I don't know what your goals are, but again, view synthesia the same way you view training wheels. You really shouldn't use it. But hey, I'm not stopping you.
2015-03-27 09:00:00
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2015-03-27 09:53:00 / Author: nerd_dog
that's a whole lot of advise there yea, i'm trying to remake a song right now too when I have time to work on it... it's actually pretty difficult. i'm trying to go by ear and at first.. the tune sounded simple, but there are so many little details that I didn't hear the first couple of times I heard it. it's a lot harder than just making your own tunes which is what I do. it's harder because, in your own songs, you can do what you want to. in a remake, you're trying to copy what someone else did and that can be pretty difficult.

anywho, Kikouma definitely had some good tips. good luck
2015-03-27 09:53:00
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2015-03-27 18:50:00 / Author: Jacko
Thanks everyone
2015-03-27 18:50:00
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2015-04-20 08:54:00 / Author: Tynz21
Trying to remake by ear is a pain, but if you can find a good midi file of the song you want you can recreate it note by note by simply viewing it in fl studio or anvil studio in piano roll format. Anvil studio is free and available online if you Google it You'll fine it easily enough.
2015-04-20 08:54:00
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2015-04-20 20:15:00 / Author: Jacko
I rather make it by ear, though. It may be harder and longer, but if anything, I feel as if I'm truly getting better if I'm doing it without.
2015-04-20 20:15:00
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2015-04-21 03:50:00 / Author: GamesVlog

I listen to the music by ear and go with whatever it takes me. I don't worry about the thermo. The thermo is not my main concern, The thing that is my concern is the music. I make music in real life and I don't worry about it. I don't worry about the thermo because it might stop the play. I advoid certin insruments, including using some of the Move Pack instruments unless I have to use it. But it's all good for me because I listen to it by ear. I am a viturso, so I love this kind of stuff.
2015-04-21 03:50:00
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2015-04-22 11:50:00 / Author: Woutery
The best tip i could give you is to... well, copy the song!

If i ever copy a song i do it by listening to it as well, i'm not very experienced with notes and stuff like that. Let's say in the song you want to recreate, there's a piano that goes "dun". On the sequencer, you place a piano and you scroll around until you find that same "dun" in the right octave, and place it. From there just work out the rest. That's really how easy it is.
2015-04-22 11:50:00
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2015-04-22 12:16:00 / Author: nerd_dog
that would be what they mean by remaking it by ear
2015-04-22 12:16:00
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2015-04-22 14:25:00 / Author: Jacko
Woutery, it isn't as easy as that. If I'm just trying to get the main melody sure why not "dun" and "dunl. But if I'm trying to completely remake the song I need to get the drum pattern nicely. Not to mention piano chords if there are any, guitars, side guitars, bass, violin and minor details. Not just the vocals, which in this case are the "dun" "dun".
2015-04-22 14:25:00
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2015-04-22 15:43:00 / Author: Kuroneko
Remaking a song by trial and error is literally one of the worst things someone can do to be brutally honest :/
If you plan on remaking a song fully by trial and error (dun = dun), you're better off using a Midi recreation.
2015-04-22 15:43:00
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2015-04-23 03:41:00 / Author: GamesVlog

Agreed. The only thing that you could do is mess up. I'm not perfect and I have to retweek and polishing it and polishing it until It's true to the song. I'd try the easy songs to remake first, and work your way up to the ones that are harder to reproduce. I do it offline all the time. Trust me.
2015-04-23 03:41:00
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