So I've just been browsing lbp3 like I do and after just looking at all the new content that doesnt exist, I would like to ask everyone: Who actually still produces musical content on lbp3? I personally am on and off about my time spent creating and piddling about, but I can't seem to find any content by my old buddies. Anyone wana help me out here by lettin me know who actually does a thing anymore?

well al, many aren't. and me and you are some of the only ones still doing it. and the ones that are, haven't published much for the most part. one of the main reasons is probably due to the fact that more than half can't access the move pack instruments. a shame really. if I was one of the people without access to my move instruments, I would still be messing around with music and whatnot. and even with all the music that has been published and is collectible in LBP2, a whole lot of level creators are convinced that there is no user-made music to use for their levels. people that are musicians aren't recommending others (for selfish reasons). the music community is barely even supporting eachother. music creations are getting overlooked (completely overlooked by steveni). people pretend to be supportive of the music community but don't actually come and play the levels created by them. ect,ect,ect... I could go on for centuries.

there isn't much love in general for musicians. I've been playing levels that use someone's music (and I usually recognize who made it) without leaving credits in the description. and in general, peoples tastes in music is.. well.. not always great. people seem to pick the most ridiculous music for their levels. it's just sad in general.. I know it hasn't been much of a motivator for me. I've barely worked on music since it started becoming painfully obvious that the rest of the non-music community doesn't seem to care.

i'm just going to stop before I get bummed out about it again. or... before I try to organize a musician strike and have everyone lock their music levels and stop creating custom music for others

seriously LBP community, ya'll have even used music from us without even yaying/hearting the level you got it from. like seriously. a lot of you kind of suck

musicurators ar peopl 2

I have to agree whole hardily. because I keep hearing the same music over and over again. the taste for music is very bad indeed, and There are going to be kids looking in a bad taste in music, It's like eating sugar and Cheese with it... It's go together, and the older users in LBP takes their time and choose the music which in taste. If kids continuing listening to One Direction that come from sackbots like it's going out of style, what does that make them? the music gets old and kids mature to know what they do, and they leave the community. It's a serious life cycle, because the taste gets used to them, that they stop completely. I under stand kids attention spans. they are futile and waiting for the next big thing. while their still young, they will choose the bad music and choose the taste of music in every lover (Blank or otherwise). so, the answer is no, their change in style of music is like wearing clothes, you get old with it, you sell it or get ride of it, or let it to hoard and collect dust.

Some musicians (Trilly, Morta, me, etc.) left to move on and follow their dreams.

I still do, i'm working on a new gallery, although progress is sorta slow right now because of various reasons.

I'm sure a bunch of new music creator will show up someday. Like LittleBigPlanet2, eventually a bunch of new creators will come and be in awe of all the music they'll hear, a bit like I was when I first started LBP. (Velvet--Audio was my inspiration to make music on LBP). I'm honestly convinced new music creator will show up, give it a year or two. Who knows, you might motivate and inspire new faces to make music.

@buttarms: Me personally, I'm being held back financially from making music irl. I don't have a computer that can even run a DAW and I also lack the actual guitars I covet so much. Alot of folks assume that I play guitar IRL because of the music I make, but I've actually never even touched an instrument irl. Sad dei for us all. But one day I will own all th things I need to create the music I so desire.

At the end of the day, it's all about perspective.

Some musicians crave to shoot outward into the musicsphere with their own compositions, while others are in a financial rut trying to scavenge for the resources they so desperately desire (I.e. Sanic, Al, myself, etc.). Personally, while it's a bit of a bummer that I couldn't continue my EP due to the Move Pack playing more hard to get than a widowed soccer dad on a sweaty Tuesday, the lack of resources served as refreshing insight; a brick to the face, if you will. It opened my eyes to the possibility of a beloved hobby becoming a career, while carrying the potential to change the course of my life. This realization may not be as significant for others, but I can guarantee this plane crash of a game made a few question their stance in the community. Was all this musical work worth it? Was I benefiting from creating? And so on.

Additionally, a realization occurred to a lot of people; this game sucks. It crippled quite a few's ability to compose, or their enthusiasm towards creating new content. Thus, a lack of effort from a variety of musicians has come into play. Most of us at heart still want to support the music community, and we do so through reviews, comments, etc. However, as minuscule as that support may be, really it's the only thing any of us can do. What were any of us expecting? LBPMusicParades? Talk shows? Indulge in my sass, but if you're worried about how many hearts and plays you receive for copyrightless music on a dead video game, I genuinely question your integrity.

Creating music in my eyes was supposed to be a form of enjoyment for yourself, not others. If others found it enjoyable too, then hey, maybe you get an extra little boost from it. But if you're walking into the ballgame searching for popularity rather than quality, you better turn right back around. That is why I find this whole lack of credit conversation pretty silly; people are worried more about recognition then quality. Now, I get that more plays = more "exposure", but exposure towards whom? If there's such an abundance of copycat twelve year olds jamming out to 1D and stealing your stuff, then why are you so worried about whether or not they like it? Do you really want their opinion? If you're craving a serious opinion that will have actual experience to back it up, you shouldn't be composing for a video game, you should be composing freelance or for a label. And if this is only a hobby, where you don't want to invest in going pro, then there's your answer: a lack of professionalism from yourself leads to a mass of unprofessional opinions.

Lets say you, for some reason or another, DO crave their opinion. A wise man once told me that the highest form of flattery is mimicry, so if some 100 jump level has your music, so what? It signifies that it's likable, that people take interest in your stuff. And if exposure (which mind you, is meant to collect an opinion about your product) is what you crave, doesn't them copying your shizz answer that?

Also, don't call out the community for having a bad taste in music while also complaining that you don't receive credit. Self harm is not the answer.

^: OMG

Controversionalism! Sorry, but somebody had to say it, lel.

hmm.. I can agree with a lot of what you say, but if you were responding to me (and it sort of seems like you were), then I would say that you twisted a lot here. and for the issue of credit.. you also missed the point of what I said. i'm talking about people using the music in levels (like platformers) without saying who created it (and i'm not talking about all the little kids). I don't agree with your "if you're doing it for credit instead of enjoyment" statement. many are doing it for enjoyment. that doesn't mean that credit isn't necessary.

and I might add, if you create something that you work hard on and act like you don't care about credit, then I believe you aren't being 100% honest with yourself. everyone want recognition for what they do. I question the person that pretends that they don't.

and continuously bashing lbp on an lbp forum? just why? if you don't like it then why are you coming here to bring that up to the people that do?

My personal opinion on the matter is I for one, like music, and like the idea of the lbp music sequencer. But I don't creat as much as I would like for the fact that it just doesn't offer me what I woul want to create music with, even though this game's music feature and music community has taught me so much about composing and opened my eyes to all these new ideas and perspectives. As for the whole giving credit thing, i dont really care one way or the other if you use mine because frankly, I dont feel like I should get angry over the use of some really subpar music (when compared to music composed in the real world). However, I can see where some folks would like to recieve praise from the entire lbp community for the effort they put into their songs and where they would feel bummed out if they weren't even credited for their music.

and I guess I would say that, I don't feel that everything made on the lbp sequencer is "subpar" as far as composition. the sequencer itself is subpar for sure.

as for how much you care about credit, that's your thing I guess. but what I was saying in my post up there is, I don't like it even when others besides myself are left out of the credits. when I notice someones music that I recognize in a level and there's no credits, I usually leave a comment saying something like " you didn't credit (whoever) for their music. I really think you should". I feel that the music plays a huge role in the entire feel of a level. I always tell people. "just imagine a battle scene from Lord of The Rings with Muppets theme music playing". I really do believe that the musician is worth noting when someone uses their sounds for something. and I don't believe that things composed in lbp are somehow less of an art form

Al: Exactly. I can get behind a portion of that, but it's not like you'd be losing anything of value if you didn't receive credit.

Nerd: Firstly, I'd like you to point out where I've "bashed" this game in any other forum post. Mate, there's even a variety of general chat posts talking about how big of a letdown the game was, as well as music sequencer specifics and the lack of instrumentation + other features. Posts in which YOU'VE shared your fair amount of criticism as well.

crit·i·cism
(X)krid(X)(X)siz(X)m/
-the analysis and judgment of the merits and faults of a literary or artistic work.

"I will admit that the thermo thing could have easily been improved. I hear people talk about the vita version all the time and how the song thermo isn't really much of an issue. it's surprising that they didn't give us more thermo space to work with." -Nerd_dog (Some Things That Have Bugged Me About The Music Sequencer)

"In LBP3, it simply doesn't. it seems that bassy tones are some of the worst things to stack. They can be so overpowering that they cause other sounds to distort and basically sound like.. crud. This is even worse when paired with audio tweaker settings." -Nerd_dog (LBP3 Sound Quality)

"but the whole tempo changing thing.. that would be great honestly. another thing that would be great is actually having a real use for the volume channel option.. as it is, it's completely unnecessary because you can control the volume of things really easily without it. what it should be used for, it the ability to make tunes interactive like the interactive songs you get from story. that would probably be the most useful update if they ever decide to do it." -Nerd_dog (How Much Did LBP3's Musical Improvements Disappoint Me?)

"I give it a 3/10

I honestly do like some of the percussion they added. and I like the sample quality upgrade. but I was hoping for at least 20 new instruments ranging from new drum kits to new electric guitar sounds to new synths. I wanted effect settings and the ability to change tempo. I wanted a whole lot but I would have been satisfied with just a bit more than what they offered here.

the upside to this is that, there are plenty of tones and sounds to unlock with the lbp2 instruments. hopefully it will drive more lbp music people to learn how to blend sounds creatively.

not much of an upside really though. the musicians simply were simply forgotten ." -Nerd_Dog (Review of the LBP3 Music Sequencer)

Here ya go; criticisms by Nerd_dooge. They aren't out of context, and feel free to look them up if you think otherwise.


bash·ing
(X)baSHiNG/
severe criticism.

The only other point in which I've given this game "harsh" criticism was in the post regarding the launch of LBP3 (which WAS garbage. You cannot deny that.) If you think stating "With this debate in mind, along with the fact that LBP3 was a pretty big letdown in some... aspects (who are we kidding, launch was mediocre at best)..." is harsh criticism, you need to reevaluate your sense of judgement. Nowhere else can I be found bad-mouthing this game publicly.


Secondly, nowhere in my post did I say I didn't want recognition. I simply stated that self-improvement and quality is (imo) MORE important than recognition (in the terms of the LBP community, as I had stated previously.) "Indulge in my sass, but if you're worried about how many hearts and plays you receive for copyrightless music on a dead video game, I genuinely question your integrity." -Emotionless (This Chat)

"If you're craving a serious opinion that will have actual experience to back it up, you shouldn't be composing for a video game, you should be composing freelance or for a label." -Emotionless (This Chat)

Video game. Not real life m80. As Al stated, it's understandable that people would get bummed out. And I 100% agree. But getting pissy about it is, in fact, NOT a necessity, no matter how entitled you feel you are. You are releasing free music onto public site. Want credit? Copywrite that ***.


Thirdly, explain to me how the post I gave would be twisted if it were directed at you? The information remains the same, regardless. But I'm curious to hear your perspective.

"and I might add, if you create something that you work hard on and act like you don't care about credit, then I believe you aren't being 100% honest with yourself. everyone want recognition for what they do. I question the person that pretends that they don't." -Nerd_dog (This Post)

Of course I want recognition, any sane entertainer would. But I'm not going to invest my time, sweat, heart and soul into a community that won't appreciate it while expecting appraisal. Which is, again, why I found the topic of credit on this particular game silly.

"I agree though. If someone is serious about music career, they need to stop focusing so hard on making lbp music. it's not something they necessarily need to stop if they really enjoy it. But having lbp be their main musical outlet isn't going to get them anywhere." -Nerd_dog (New Sequencer Intruments From LBP3)


I'm not bashing anybody, I'm giving a fair analysis, as anyone should be free to do so. That's why it's a damn forum: to discuss opinions, content, and other subjects revolving around said topics. THAT is why I'm here. You can find numerous posts talking about music, tech, goals, and experiences outside of LBP with numerous musicians (Yourself included.) Just because it's an LBP-centric forum doesn't mean it's sacrilegious to discuss other things. So stop with the hypocrisy, realize you've said just as much before calling out others. You can't ***** and moan while expecting things to change. Jerry, Noel, and Morta all realized that. Some of us are trying to achieve that as well.


That last bit about self harm was a joke.






rekt.

Jesus, the community might be dead, but the controversy isn't.

there's no need for some of that language on here...

and as far a criticism goes, that's perfectly fine. and I believe I probably read a few things in a different tone than you meant. the fact is, you come across as being extremely abrasive.. and yes, i'm going to respond to that. especially when I feel that you twisted my meaning around. and honestly, I could have read that wrong. like I said, I agree with a lot of what you said.

yes, you're not going to build a career using the lbp sequencer. any reasonable person understands that. many of us that are still making a few tunes here and there are doing it because they enjoy it. and it's the same with making any other type of creation with lbp. so maybe I worded it funny somehow. not everything that someone does has to be a career goal.. so I would call it a hobby.. that being said, most people trying to make real life music aren't ever going to make any good money at it.. and they're lucky if they make any at all.

and if you think that the fact that the music isn't copyrighted means that people shouldn't get credit, then I don't know what to say about that. other than, that sounds completely backwards to me.. I however, will continue to support (and stand up for) the music community. I don't care if anyone else thinks it's pointless.

for me accusing you of popping up here and "bashing" the game constantly, you're probably right. i'm sure I grouped you with the others that used to do it constantly. and I corrected myself on that. sure, go ahead and criticize. as long as it's at least on topic. looking at the original post from al, I would say that, sure, criticizing the lbp music community isn't very far off topic, because that would be a reason that people leave the game. but i'm used to plenty of others that basically bash the music community and the sequencer when it is completely off topic. so I apologize for that bit. that part was my bad..

LBP is about creativity, sharing, exchanging experiences, socializing and playing together.
I for my part dont care about leechers or credit.
Well it would make me happy if i would get more plays but more because of exchanging with others.
I gladly share my stuff in hope that other people use it, learn something or to get own ideas so that i can play their awesome levels.
I dont care about money. I get solid payment from my profession and i am visionary and idealist.
You have some point there by saying that you could earn money in one go.
But as far as money is involved, everything gets ugly and the true creativity is pretty fast restricted.
Sharing my content is my way to say thanks to all outstanding creators out there in the brainfart sphere.

@nerd_dog
As for copyright, there are some rights. If someone copy your music and you can prove that, then you can still win on court.
This may be troublesome because if they change it enough that it is not recognizable at the first shot, they con get off with it.
Well should not be that hard since sequencer music sounds pretty much weird.

"But getting pissy about it is, in fact, NOT a necessity, no matter how entitled you feel you are. You are releasing free music onto public site. Want credit? Copywrite that ***." -Emotionless (This Chat)

Mate, it's not that people don't deserve credit if it isn't copywrited, it's that the credit isn't a necessity in a video game. If you really WANT the credit, then get it copywritten. That's what I was perpetuating, not that if you didn't legally bind your work, you weren't worth anything.

Also, I know I only mentioned freelance work and label production, but you can still compose as a hobby in the real world and redeem legitimate, reliable feedback. It's just not likely that you'll find that type of respect and feedback from the LBP community. Now, that doesn't mean it's impossible. Every blue moon someone brings about decent criticism on LBP, just as terrible criticism can be found in haystacks across the internet. Bottom line: it's a matter of where you search.

Additionally, I wrote a lump of text in a rather passionate, decisive manner, and I can understand why it might come off as abrasive. But nobody is seriously trying to put down anybody. This wasn't directed at particularly you, rather the entire community. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to be passive when I see something I disagree with strongly based on a subject I love. In a game where you're supposed to create, share, and enjoy, all the small print just seems silly. The real world is where you should seriously consider that an issue.










and I only cussed twice.

I don't understand. All I did was ask if anyone was still creating music. How did it come to this?

Because I'm a stubborn Sagittarius who craves pointing out things.

I try to focus on the creative members of the community. and their feedback is as valid as anyone elses

I treasure Al's opinion and criticisms significantly more than Sparky or MMA's, and whether or not they're creatively appealing is a matter of subjectiveness. I guess that's something we fundamentally disagree on.

"You don't have to be a chef to know what bad food tastes like." - Tril

I may point out the fact that, you were extremely upset when someone that we both know gave a collab that you were part of to a level creator. and that creator was not told that you were part of it. the level was team picked and you were not credited.

but I understand that you may have changed your mind about your opinion on credit. but I wouldn't be so quick to throw the word "hypocritical" around so loosely.

everyone, including both you and me, can have an opinion. but trying to turn things around, or blast people with quotes from different topics, doesn't make anyones opinion fact.. that's something that we should all remember here.

Edit: the last part of this that I erased was unnecessary. sorry for the bickering people

You should both probably stop at this point, like for God's sake, there's more to life than being right. The wholw point of this thread was to try and bring out some folks who were still active in the community and lbf so that myself and everyone else knows who to keep their eyes on for new content. But both of you are carrying this on for longer than it needs to be. Scars may have started it, but you're just as guilty for flaming the fire, nerd. Go to sleep, jesus.

I honestly don't remember that at this point, but if so then fair enough. However I think it's safe to say my opinion has changed, as I as a person have changed in the past few months, as has everybody. There's also a difference between almost a year ago and a month. People change. I haven't said anything that contradicts what I am suggesting as of recently, so I would't call myself a hypocrite. But fair enough; It's delving into semantics that need not be delved into

Regardless, you are correct, this is just my opinion. It always has. However, I think there's one thing we can all agree on here:
-People will scavenge for anything free when they can. Period.

I'll keep my mouth shut Al.

"yes, you're not going to build a career using the lbp sequencer". I detest to that, I was offered a job with Sumo because of my work on the sequencer.

@ Emotionless
Dude i really understand you.
You have seen through the dupery in the system and now you are wondering that no one beside you see it while it is just before their noses.
Maybe they are ignoring it or they see trough it but have simply another opinion.
I dont want to say that it is bad to make money with your work.
Contrary I CHEER FOR YOU because i really understand your point.
But dont forget the visionary in you.
And try to not force your opinion on others.
I am doing the same mistake from time to time and I AM SORRY for this.
I can understand if you are upset but it must not stay like this.
Feel free to visit LBP from time to time and have fun like a kid.