Hi LBF! Today I'm going to talk about the state of the Lbp community, covering The Barrelroom Gang (Dav_King_G and Shadowplayer47), emo costumes, copiers, and h4h.

The Barrelroom Gang - I honestly think these people are stupid. They leave bad reviews on team picks, expecting people to boycott them because of their bad reviews. They must think the community knows nothing. If I saw 1 bad review on a level with mainly positive reception, I would still play it. 1 Review won't stop me. maybe 10 or more would, but 1? No.

Copiers - The trend of copying is where someone finds a copyable level, copies it, and claims it as their own. No matter how hard copiers try to hide it, it's obvious that they aim to spam the community. For example, Ayee_Its_Dead made a level named "Speech" where he said he was going to quit Lbp because the cool pages are gone.

H4H/P4P - This method of getting hearts and plays is just lazy. It isn't so hard to make a good level and suggest it on an Lbp forum like this one. If your level is good enough, hearts and plays will stream in all day.

Emo costumes - people think these costumes are cute, but in reality, they're really, really, creepy and disturbing. I'd be fine with these costumes, if they weren't so overused.


Whenever you think about all that's wrong with our community, you think, Just what happened to the community?

The community we knew at the release of LBP2 is dead. LBP3 didn't save it because it was released broken, and still some very important things, like DLC, still isn't fixed yet.

Sumo failed, idiot trollers fucked the game and by that I mean that everybody plays and tries to recreate (or should I better say copy) Mortal combat and etc copied levels and chaning rooms. The new people just don't know the quality of levels anymore.

And because of these reasons the community is dead. It's the same as a person's life; once dead, it's nearly impossible to revive it.

Just make your levels and get unnoticed, or get a MmPick if you spam Steve on Twitter.

Nothing. All these things existed since the beginning of LBP.

LBP3's community is actually pretty good. Mostly because of the fact that it has a small user base at the moment compared to LBP2.

Also, copiers, H4H's and emos been around since the start. If you look at LBP1's cool levels now, it's filled to the brim with crap.

Its like racysm. Just ignore it

i can agree ive spent to months working on an adventure story and it is slowly getting plays and hearts but levels such as the dlc editor, jumps and crap like that are in the 1000s already it makes no sense because there has been no effort put into them and the decent folk that spend time making levels get nothing to show for it

Interesting. I would disagree with some of this. I think LBP3 and it's community can be salvaged. But.. I believe it's up to us as a community. Too many of us barely take time to promote each other. And this new in-game playlist feature is a great idea. Unfortunately, almost no one is using this.

They of left it more up to us to curate for the community... and we're failing.

I only use the playlist feature for my levels. I had a playlist called "D picks" that had levels I enjoyed in it, but I got rid of it because it started to just become full of team picks.

Shadow is clearly a troll. I think what he'se doing is hilarious. People like him do it for negative attention, such as levels telling him to stop. That's whats so funny - he clearly makes fake levels and writes fake reviews, yet there are still n00bs believing he'se serious and do the wrong thing, that is to feed Shadow attention by making levels saying he should stop and considering him someone who is trying to destroy the entire community. It's just amazing to see how many dumb people he tricks into doing this, and i definitely support him in exposing the real n00bs that can't handle trolls.

Just avoid him if you think he'se stupid. He'se probably rolling in his chair from just looking at your attention-filled post.

I banned ShadowPlayer48 with the LittleBigForum account on lbp.me so he can not post reviews and comments anymore on the lbf levels.. extremely annoying. Let's see if he comes with another account^^

He had ~8 extra accounts.

Well, he must have a really sad life if he is seeking solace in such a way.

!! I remember Dav_King!!! He came to my profile picking up a fight and I completely slammed him down! I think he blocked me on LBP.me Because I broke him. Like, if you respond with "NO YOU GRR" You'll simply look stupid, you should take out people like him with sarcasm. But wow, we went at it for like a week before he blocked me.
AND, You are basically spamming the stuff everyone spams on Littlebigplanet. H4H are evil, Emo's are stupid, I'm not getting hearts because of the copied level!! Well, It's not like the Cool Page have always reliable, since out of the cool page, you had 3/10 levels worth playing (4/10 were copied levels, 2/10 were horror levels and 1/10 were costume levels)
. To be honest, just because you spend a lot of time on a level doesn't mean it deserves a lot of plays.
Hardwork doesn't always pay off, that's the cold truth of this world

The mods and admins are so lazy. Steven or some other admins can ban the trolls, copiers, etc with the click of a button. Probably literally. Something they should do is blacklist all of the copied levels so they cannot be republished. When levels are blacklisted, existing copies of them online are taken down automatically and the levels can't be republished. MM and Sumo both failed at managing their games. Now, the funny thing is MY level was taken down once for no reason. I couldn't republish the level until I removed a section of the level, an easter egg, which basically made a funny explosion effect when it was activated, so it was probably blacklisted. The mods need to do that with the entire contents of the copied levels so the copiers can't just made a tiny edit and republish the level.

They need a better copying system.

They should do what Modnation did, every level needs to show the original creator of the level. Maybe it could also show which people copied it or how many times it was copied. And maybe even add a tag to every copied level that states it was copied so people can filter out copied levels.

I've messed with The_Dead_Creator and his alt accounts a couple of times. What he did after a while is he disabled his profile comments, but he created a new locked level on his Earth called "comments" which you could comment on as an alternative. That logic shows what is going on in his brain. Maybe he created a level for commenting so it would be easier to delete the comments (you would simply have to delete the level). These trolls and copiers are all losers and I always wonder who they are or what is wrong with them. Seriously, what kind of person would enjoy constantly deleting comments and getting hate 24/7? And the costumes that they wear are horrific. The_BrainDead_Creator has an "online girlfriend", and he constantly takes pictures with her which include them posing in inappropriate or stupid positions (with the typical gross white or black backgrounds) and then uploads them. Pic after pic after pic. Why would you buy LBP just to take pictures?

You really shouldn't be bragging about the fact that you spam hate in other players comment section.
Also, anyone who disabled their comments before the lbp.me update can't renable them.

Also, my profile's description says I don't H4H or P4P, and never will. It waters down how much I get asked to H4H, but sometimes I still get requests. Sometimes I feel like H4Hers think that H4H is something Sumo/Mm encourage.

I think some people will leave "H4H" in your comments just because your profile says "NO H4H"

Administrators should just take all these kinds of levels, wrap them in a black bag and throw them away
the community of lbp it should have rules . for example, during each month of the users lbp could make a vote to choose the troll of the month after the end of the month, community managers check if it is really a troll. then could be sanctioned with the prohibition to publish levels for some time.

It's a little strong, but it should be a rule to keep the community safe from disaster. for example in the global game WOW, just expel users who cheat.

How I deal with these things:

Trolls - A bunch of loosers. Make fun of them, they will feel small compared to you and quit.

Copiers - Lazy people that aren't worth your attention. They will never achieve anything great, so why would you waste your time for them?

H4H/P4P - If someone would ask me for any of these, I would simply laugh at him and forget.

Emo costumes - They just exist. Ignore them.

The community feature is for everybody, so of course you'll find simple projects, and lots of "noobs" that likes these weird activities, that's the beauty of it. Anybody can create and it's up to you or us to find the best.

If you want a perfect community free from junk you'll need to start a dictatorship. I actually did something similar and to my surprise it worked. It was called Project Unknown, we were a group that helped unknown creators to get attention by boosting their levels to the cool pages using some nasty tricks. The selection was taken care of by me, and I always looked for any cooperation involving spammers, copiers, H4H and all that other stuff that doesn't belong in the community. We could maybe boost two levels per week, but as the group increased in numbers we could in theory control what is being showed in the cool pages. Unfortunately the group had to shut down due to request from Steven the community manager. Too bad, because we actually helped people.

I was extremely skeptical of that.. Not skeptical about whether or not it would be effective, but skeptical about it being something that you should do. Whoever runs it would dictate what is good and what isn't. Not exactly a fair if you ask me....

Kind of like illuminati on LBP.

Then ask yourself this, how fair is the system in itself? The system can't detect how good a level is, it only calculates after play/yay-time ratio then it places it on the corresponding spot. After that it will either climb or drop depending on mostly luck. The system is in fact so weak that you can exploit weaknesses to your own advantage, some people would call this cheating but you just really need a lot of knowledge to do it. The spammers knew some of these exploits, so the system could not act in the way it was suppose to do. We added that human behind the otherwise randomly mathematical selection and cleared away junk that made it on the cool pages trough trickery. Our main goal was actually to fight back against the spammers/copiers and we didn't want to do it trough our own levels because that would look selfish, so we decided to help unknown creators to get a chance in breaking trough the seamlessly impossible barrier.

You are almost on the right point on why it is considered to be wrong. But it's no that one person was controlling it, it was in fact a complex system of several judges, the group manager only managed the operation, he didn't dictate what was good or bad because the judgement on that area was made by the community itself. The reason we had to shut down was the method we used to boost levels to the cool pages. It was seen as a trickery of the system and it shouldn't be used to promote other levels no matter how noble the reasons may be.

Having the levels chosen by a "panel" of judges is still controversial. Who are the judges? Are they all friends with similar tastes? However, it is better that a group of people was involved rather than one or 2 people. But did all the judges play every level?.... I highly doubt that it was as organized and professional as you make it sound.

And for the boosting, I don't agree with that idea. Yes, the spammers control the majority of the cool pages but this "club" controlling a part of the cool pages is almost just as bad. It could make it even harder for a level to earn a spot in the cool pages if they aren't being "helped". I'm not sure what method of boosting you're talking about and I don't think it matters (especially since the group is no longer doing it). I'm saying that I don't believe that the group has a right to control the content reaching the cool pages. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm sure many would agree with me on this.


@Schark94 yes... something like that

Yeah i don't like how people using h4h or p4p it is stupid, just because someone have 10,000 hearts doesn't mean that person will be cool. copied levels,, they should put it away.
what happened to community? trolls, spammers, bad people started played LBP that's all.

Sumo should do when you copy some level then you couldn't publish it.

Since you are more curious I feel like I have to reply to your questions, it may be a bit off topic but who cares. The judges was trusted people with good knowledge in creating, some of them were professional builders so they knew when a level was good or bad. They came from the community itself so they were not friends, but we became friends as they joined the group, but that doesn't affect how they pick levels. We actually played all the levels that was submitted trough messages/comments and reviews. If you think that our control of the cool pages was a bad thing I maybe have described all this in the wrong way but that's maybe just your opinion. We actually got loved by the community and people appreciated what we did. We didn't let anyone down, even creators that didn't get picked got some kind of message telling why. I can understand that you doubt much of what I say but It was actually more professionally organized than what you may think. I had a lot of pressure on me and I had to spend hours to manage everything because I was the group manager. It was not an easy task but all the love that I received made it worth it.

As for your opinion on the boosting, I think that it's a pretty unique subject to talk about since many people don't even have a clue how it works. We didn't directly "control" the content that was showed, we just helped unnoticed levels to get on the cool page and give them an honest chance in the vast sea of copied garbage. This doesn't make it harder for other levels, it only decreases the amount of copied levels. It's all history now and the cool pages is gone in LBP3 so all these copiers and spammers is not a problem anymore. Our group just showed that anyone can change the community, you only need willpower and numbers to accomplish it.

I don't get why people assume that if there weren't any copied level, theirs would automatically be popular

I would agree with everything except the last statement.

I'm not into that emo costume stuff or free costumes in general, but there are players who like or even enjoy those types of things.

I personally could care less for them, but I respect their opinion and their interests. Same thing goes for MLP fans. I'm not into it, but I don't judge the people who are.

Bottom line: Everyone has a different taste in creativity.


Now the copiers...that's a different story

Bottom line for that...legal plagiarism.

No Cool Pages or Lucky Dip is a good thing because all these copied levels are not visible so easily now, but in other hand it feels like getting popular is much more harder, because it's more difficult to see at least one of your levels, so that's partially why people are joining to forums.

@Blacksackman Boosting levels to the cool pages DOES in fact make it harder for others. If you were to boost 3 levels for example, all the other levels below the 3 levels would be 3 slots lower than they would have been. That effectively bumps the lowest three levels off the cool pages. How does that not hurt some peoples chances at getting a few more plays? And the cool pages do exist. Just not in-game. You can find the cool pages on lbp.me with lbp3 levels

Another thing is these judges.. again, you speak of them as if they were experts on creativity. I remember how you basically told me that I wasn't the best judge of design because I only had some " giveaways ".. like that somehow makes my levels lesser than anyone else's. You're not the first to speak of musicians that way but it doesn't make you right. And if the people in your judging panel have a similar mindset, then that would count out many creative levels like art levels, custom sticker levels, costume levels (some of these are brilliant) and of coarse, music levels.... The whole idea of "Project Unknown" is flawed.

I wouldn't waste time searching the cool pages. I find plenty of great levels in the "Highest Rated" section.

One problem with the highest rated section is, it's levels that are already discovered and have gotten plenty of positive feedback (yays and whatnot). Not the hidden gems that are scattered throughout LBP.

Your right. It really sucks to not have your level get recognized by anyone in the community. When I think about this, the newest level section comes to mind. However the problem with that is that the new hidden gem levels will be overshadowed by bad copied or noob levels.

I propose a plan of a new system. This system will be called "The level submit system" You submit a trailer of your level.(It has to be good and show the gameplay of your level), and Sumo will confirm if it is original and good. You can also submit trailers. If your level is confirmed, it will be on a new level section called the special levels section. It will be filled with new and good levels. Sumo workers decide when the level submit system is open and closed.

The cool pages doesn't exactly work that way because it's much more complex. All the levels that you can see from the first page to the fifth page is ranked after play to time ratio. So if I boost 3 levels and they appear on the first page it doesn't necessarily mean that 3 other levels below will drop down. Some levels will climb depending on how hot they are and if they are new they will stay on their spot, only older levels will drop down and that doesn't hurt anyone because they already had their glory. You don't understand this because you have no idea how long I have experimented in the cool pages. But even if your example does happen sometimes it doesn't hurt anyway because in most cases, it will only be harder for 3 copied levels. And unless you support copied levels it's only helping the real creators.

And your last statement about our group, was that a joke? Of course it's flawed, everything is flawed in this world, nothing is perfect. Even humans are flawed, yes you and me. But the group are not as flawed as the system behind the cool pages, that is seriously flawed. Our group resulted in better levels on the cool pages but if you prefer copied junk that clogs up the lists that's fine.

Taking down the cool pages was a good thing and a bad thing. For the best of creators, it's a good thing? their levels will be posted in the forums, played, and team picked, getting numerous plays regardless. But there is a demographic of people who, try as they may, will never be team picked. Perhaps it is because they aren't skilled enough, don't have the time, or don't make the type of levels that get picked. They can still make interesting levels, but these players are the most hurt by the lack of cool pages. I can't say I have very strong feelings about it though... but I really am not thrilled with the filtering capacity of LBP3...

The types of levels that get picked aren't necessarily better all the time @Tynz21. Some of the best things I've seen(in my opinion) in LBP had less than 20 plays. The way you worded that sounds like you were saying that people that aren't or wont be picked are somehow subpar creators. I hope that's not what you meant

And @Blacksackman of course nothing is perfect. I'm saying that I believe that the idea "Project Unknown" was REALLY flawed. And no, I'm not okay with the spam. But i'm not okay with Project Unknown's solution to "fix" the cool pages and neither was StevenI apparently . You said " it will only be harder for 3 copied levels ". Not necessarily. I may not understand everything about the cool pages but that isn't grounds to disregard what is obvious about the point I made. You even acknowledged my point. In a way, you're saying that if Project Unknown doesn't find something to their tastes, then it isn't really worthy of the cool pages. Flawed..

And for everyone else just reading and watching, it's just a civilized debate. Don't flip out

There's 4 ways to have a popular level (over 5,000 plays)

1. Get a team pick
2. Get on busiest page ( which is filled with the same levels most of the time and is usually mostly team picks)
3. Already be popular from a previous team pick
4. Luck

They should have just tweaked the cool pages, not removed them.

And I didn't put in highest rated because that hasn't changed since the games release.

@nerd_dog: That's not exactly what I meant, because like I said, there are certain types of levels that just aren't the type to get picked, just as certain types of movies don't perform as well at the Oscars as others. I would go so far as to say some levels are pick bait. But I will say that there are also a very, very large number of levels that are good levels, but not good enough that they end up team picked. And it's a shame for levels that are good but not great to no longer have the cool pages, because that's the only real way they had a substantial chance to be played.

And i'm saying that the "great" stuff wont be picked a good deal of the time. Heck, many of the team picks are straight up disappointing. Especially some of these these "pick bait" ones you speak of. It's like a special club of smug elitists and people that kiss backside on LBPC. The team picking process is more jacked than "Project Unknown" .. But to be fair.. The team picks have been slightly more diverse in the past few months... slightly.

As long as you're not lazy as a creator then you should be fine. If you post your levels on forums you will get the feedback and the plays needed. The lack of features to find new levels in LBP3 will hopefully result in more people visiting these fan-sites. It will be a nightmare for the copiers since there's no chance that they will post any levels because they know that nobody is going to play their levels. I don't mind the removal of the cool pages, it's maybe just for the greater good because the addiction for plays and hearts can be hard to break as a kid. I would be happy to see the Highest Rated of the week on the main page in LBP3 though, some great levels were found in those lists.

Actually, I posted my level on this forum and only one person played it. Fun fact, Nerd Dog is the ONLY person who played it from this forum .
I'm not saying it's a bad thing to post levels on forums, I'm just saying, that it does happen that levels get ignored, EVEN on forums.

Glitch post, just read the next one

Cool Levels is the cancer of LBP. LBPVita was ruined because of cool levels, and one crew spamming their levels to the top. Even pure shite levels.

@nerd_dog: I don't know. I mean, there are plenty of good levels overlooked by picks, but if I had to list the very best of the best, at least 90% of them would be picked levels, or at the very least by someone who has a different level picked. Just my opinion. I think there are some bad picks Yeah, but as a whole I think they do well.

Personally I think the best way to get people to play your levels is to get your level in a lbpc picks or lbf picks level. Otherwise just advertise your level on peoples profiles. That's how I got people to play my levels

@Tyns21 I would agree that most team picks aren't really "bad". but for them being the best usually? you know, maybe we have different taste.

And @Kuroneko I try to keep my promises if I say "queued". Absolutely no one played the level i posted because of my advertisement on this forum..not even the one person that said "Queued!".

"Emo costumes".

Didn't these die out like 2 years ago?